Articles from the Zine

A portion of the AIDS Quilt came to town this weekend, and was shown at the 
Memorial Colisum.  I went yesterday afternoon.
While I was walking around and getting verklempt, I noticed this guy tagging 
along a few discreet steps behind.  I casually turned around to see what the 
deal was, and he gave me one of "those" looks (into the eye, down to the 
feet, back up - stopping about midway up at you-know-where - and back to 
the eyes).  I was quite unnerved, and went back to looking at the Quilt.
He kept following me, so I tried evasive action (a zig-zag walking pattern) 
to determine if he was really following me, or just walking along the same 
row of panels.  Well, he *was* following me.
I came to a halt at one set of panels, and he stopped next to me.  I 
recognized a panel of somebody I knew, and got misty.  This guy started 
talking to me, offering his sympathies.  Within two minutes, he told me I 
was cute, offered his phone number, and asked me out to dinner that evening.
I was deeply offended, and told him I didn't feel this was an appropriate 
venue for cruising.  His response? "Suit yourself."  He walked off, and 
later on, I noticed he was tagging along with someone else (I should have 
warned his new target that he was only second choice...)
Was I off base?  I spoke to two people last night about this, and opinion 
was divided; one felt it was tacky and inappropriate of the guy to try and 
pick me up at such a place, and the other felt it was perfectly ok.
  ROBERT HANSEN - Oregon Health Sciences University - Portland, Oregon  USA
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       I surely do not want to give up my right to complain, no sir."
                               (Bessie Delany)
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I think the subject says it all. Personally, I think it's very unethical
for gays to out other gays. I think that gays have a right to privacy. If
they want to tell the world of their sexual orientation, they have the
right to do so. But they also have the right to keep it quiet if they
prefer. I think it's selfish of some gay activist groups to violate some
homosexuals right to privacy for their selfish purposes. NOTE: I am
not a homophobe and I do not think any less of homosexuals than of hetero
sexuals. I think they have the same rights as everyone else, including
the right to privacy. You may not respect their decision to keep it quiet,
but you should respect their right to do so.
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BRI FARENELL 	  is a bleeding heart liberal card-carrying member of the ACLU.
CLARKSON '95
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"Yassir Arafat had a terrible accident. He tried to fax a mail bomb...."
	---Johnny Carson

At the party after our concert last night, a few of us were talking about
our cars.  (Cars and trucks and real estate are what gay people always talk 
about when we get together, n'est-ce pas?)
One fellow said that his current car was a him, but his previous car was a
her.  A woman said that her cars were always women, and in fact the current
one is a lesbian.
I don't give my cars sex, throbbing engines and hot tailpipes notwithstanding, 
but I asked what the gender of my car might be (I have a 1973 Cadillac Coupe 
de Ville, white with bright red leather).  After discussing it, they
decided, mostly on the basis of the red leather, that it's a gay male drag
queen car. 
Maybe that explains why it needs to be lubed so often.
Any trangender cars out there?
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Jack Hamilton         
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I have been following this thread regarding bi-bashing and I
FINALLY, feel compelled to say something.
    For the first time in my life I'll state publicly ( that is to
others besides relatives, very close friends and lovers ) that I am
bisexual.  THERE! I actually, said it, now I can get to the point.
    The point being: just what to I mean by saying that I'm bi ?
First of all, it is a SELF-identification.  The idea of self
identification is, I believe, important. At the heart of the matter
is how one views one's self.  We are the only true judges of our
own worth and self-esteem.  
    By saying that I am bi I indicate to myself and to others that I
am not afraid of my feelings. I fully accept and rejoice in the fact
that I can be physically and emotionally attracted to person of either
gender. To me it also means not "just" physical attraction, the emotional
ties of friendship can and have grown into love, regardless of the
"plumbing."
    My self-identification means that I am not only not afraid of my
feelings, but also that I am not ashamed of my actions. I do not and
will not apologize to any of my gay, lesbian or bi friends ( nor to
former lovers ) for currently being married to a loving, supportive
woman. Nor have I ever, nor ever will apologize to any "straight"
( I do dislike that term ) friends of either gender for having had
male lovers and for once having thought of myself as married to a
loving, supportive man. There is nothing for which to apologize.
    If this is a "transition phase" between being "straight" and being
gay, then it is one that has gone on for almost twenty years.  My first
same-gender lover and I were together for over three years, living
together, working together and traveling around the planet together.
During that time I had to seriously consider the issue of whether I
should self-identify as "gay" or whatever.  I did give it serious
consideration and the result of those considerations I have stated
above, with one exception.
    That exception is how I react to the labels that others would
attach to me.  When my first lover and I met, we were both still in
the military. When I consider what the consequences would have been
if we had been discovered, it gives me cause to think.  The military
would not have seen a claim of "bisexuality" as a mitigating
circumstance; we whould have been just two more faggots to be kicked
out of the service in disgrace.
    Taking that realization into account, I don't shy away from or
"defend" myself against being labeled as "gay" by others.  I have
encountered three basic reactions to comming out.  Surprisingly, the
most common has been an almost immediate "Oh, I didn't know that"
acceptance, the second is the "well, you still like girls so your not
really gay", the third, and thankfully least common, is "WHAT !?
YOU'RE a queer!?" ( there is a fourth,  very uncommon:
"Oh yeah? Me too!" )
    It is in my response to the third reaction that I may part ways
with many other bis.  I DO NOT go into a long string of denials and
explainations. Lets face it, most of our society believes "If you do
it once, you are."  Logic, reason and discourses on psychology,
relationships and human sexuality are lost on them.  If they want to
label me as "gay" or "queer" or whatever, let them.
    I can understand how the denials of those externally applied
labels by bisexuals can be offensive to our gay and lesbian
self-identifying brothers and sisters.  If we want respect, acceptance
and affirmation of our self-worth by the wider gay/lesbian community,
then those of us who identify as bisexual, must be willing to share
all of the labels, hatred and discrimination. Only by sharing the
burden of oppression will we be able to lay claim to any progress that
might be made.  The worst thing that any of us in the GLB community
can do is to allow ourselves to be divided by externally imposed
labels.
    This is not to say that some people who call themselves bi are not
in a transitional phase between identifying as "straight" and as gay.
Obviously, some are. However, the fact that it might be a phase for
some, does not invalidate its importance as a permanent fact of life
for others.
 
    Ultimately, the labels are trivial. The important thing is being
true to yourself.  None of us should deny our feelings and our true
selves simply to fit into the "properly" labeled molds of others. This
is especialy true when the labels and molds are supplied by our oppressors.
    Well, that is quite a way to end almost 5 years of soc.motss
muffinhood, isn't it ?
Peace,
Walt
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"Exploring the consensual hallucination of cyberspace."
Walt Peterson.  
[email protected]
Silence = Death
"The opinions expressed here are my own."

Called the doctor this morning, cause I just couldn't
wait til tomorrow for the first results of the trial.
And great news: my viral load had gone to an undetectable
level *within* *ONE* *week*!!!!!   In the 3-drug combos
that seem so hopeful these days this drop usually takes
several weeks (my doctor was talking about an avarage
of 50 days), but my 5-drug combo seems to be so strong
that this happened within a week.  And not just with 
me, but with all the patients of the trial (there's only
a few still in the trial).  The strongest cocktail ever?
Eradication of the virus?
Mikkie
-- 
http://wwwcn.cern.ch/~nieuwen

No, this is not the score of my purity test.  I am not *that* 
innocent, really.  96 is the number of T4-cells in my blood.
Yes, I am HIV+.
I had prepared a long story to post to this newsgroup.  About
how I seroconverted in 1994. How the summer of that year turned
into a total nightmare, working on my graduation, having my heart
broken badly, and having to go through several hiv tests, all
within a few months.  How, 5 days before my graduation I heard
the final, and positive, result.  How, in the days after I told
my best friends and closest family, so they wouldn't be too happy
at my graduation.  How, just 2 months after I heard the final test
results I had to move to Geneva.  About the hell that Geneva's
been to me in that first year.  About getting sick several times
last year.  About the times I was in hospital with no friends
or family around, or anyone else who spoke a language I could
understand.  About my dropping weight.  And dropping even faster: 
my T4-cells.  About twice almost missing the motss.con, because I
was to sick to go...
But I don't want to look back.  The memory hurts too much. 
Mikkie, who feels better than he sounds...
[I will soon post more, and will answer *any* question - I can
deal with it now...]

soc.motss readership figures from news.lists for January 1992, along with
figures for some related groups.  Note that these figures are extrapolated
from about 1% of the total net, so the figures might not be accurate.
news.lists contains details of how the figures were collected.
        +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
        |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
        |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
        |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
        |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
        |     |     |      |      |      +-- Crossposting percentage
        |     |     |      |      |      |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr
        |     |     |      |      |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrders
        |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |   who read this group.
        V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V
   1 250000  5272   70%  1756  6300.0    28%  0.04  13.0%  alt.sex
  10 120000  2444   66%  1228  3355.5     3%  0.04   6.0%  alt.sex.bondage
  35  85000  1790   76%  2273  3938.1     9%  0.07   4.4%  soc.singles
  54  74000  1561   51%   162  7963.6    71%  0.11   3.9%  alt.sex.pictures
  60  71000  1491   76%  1002  2022.7    14%  0.05   3.7%  soc.women
  62  70000  1470   65%  1575  1843.5     0%  0.04   3.6%  alt.personals
  63  69000  1465   52%   285   419.4     5%  0.01   3.6%  alt.sex.movies
  90  61000  1291   76%  3450  6089.0    13%  0.16   3.2%  soc.motss
 113  57000  1208   76%  1272  2556.5    38%  0.07   3.0%  soc.men
 186  45000   943   74%   189   366.1    22%  0.01   2.3%  soc.couples
 316  34000   715   48%    75   130.9    70%  0.00   1.8%  alt.sex.motss
 365  32000   666   80%   291   986.4     1%  0.05   1.6%  sci.med.aids
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Jack Hamilton         
[email protected]

Just an observation.  I was at a party the other night and the
subject of soc.motss came up.  Some of you might be interested
to know that there are quite a few people who are reluctant to
take part in this group on account of its recent content, personal
attacks, etc.  
You haven't seen any of the really good personal stories lately,
have you?
If I recall, the charter of this group mentions something about
being a supportive environment.  
I'm not going to sit here and pretend to tell you what to do,
decide who is right or wrong, or attempt to manipulate the content.  
I merely want to let you know there are people who feel this way 
and I include myself among them.  In fact, I am reluctant even to post 
this for fear of starting another flame war.
Think about it.
-- 
Robert C. White, Jr.        |  Read Red Fox, Stand Watie's Civil War Years
The WhiteStar Corporation   |  in Indian Territory to find out what your
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     |  history teacher never told you.

The hanky code consists of some 60 colors worn in the back pocket to
signify what a person is interested in, sexually.
Some aren't used much, some are redundant, some are facetious.  However,
there are about a dozen that I see regularly in San Francisco that people
might want to be familiar with if they visit a leather/levi bar.  Some of
these are also mentioned here and in other newsgroups.  Without any attempt
to refine the language, these are:
COLOR			LEFT				RIGHT
Black			Heavy SM Tops			Heavy SM Bottom
Grey			Bondage (or light SM) Top	Bondage Bottom
Red			Fist Fucker			Fist Fuckee
Purple			Piercer				Piercee
Teal Blue		Cock & Ball Torturer		Cock & Ball Torturee
Light Pink		Dildo Fucker			Dildo Fuckee
Light Blue		Wants Head			Expert Cocksucker
Navy Blue		Fucker				Fuckee
Yellow			Pisser				Pissee
White			Beat My Meat (masturbation)	I'll Do Us Both
Hunter Green		Daddy				Hunting for Daddy
Checkered		Safe Sex Top			Safe Sex Bottom
	(checkered in various colors, as appropriate)
Orange			Anything Anytime		Nothing Now
Meanings change over time.  For example, orange used to mean:
left - anything top, right - anything bottom. Checkered is a fairly
recent addition and is still being defined.  Light blue suffers the
same ambiguity as French:active/passive, i.e. some people wear it on
the left as meaning they want to *actively* suck cock....
Obviously, the colors just give you some idea of what a person is 
interested in; they shouldn't be taken as necessary or sufficient to 
establish a relationship.
Most of the rest of these I've seldom seen anyone wear (and I wouldn't
know what some of these colors look like....).
Robin's Egg Blue	69-er				69-ee
Medium Blue		Cop				Cop-sucker
Dark Pink		Tit Torturer			Tit Torturee
Dark Red		2-handed Fister			2-handed Fistee
Maroon			Likes Menstruating Women	Woman Menstruating
Mauve			Into Navel Worshippers		Has Navel Fetish
Magenta			Suck My Pits			Armpit Freak
Lavender		Likes Drag			Drag
Pale Yellow		Spits				Drool Crazy
Mustard			Has 8" or more			Wants a Big One
Gold			2 Looking for One		One looking for 2
Apricot			Two Tons of Fun			Chubby Chaser
Coral			Suck My Toes			Shrimper
Rust			A Cowboy			His Horse
Fuschia			Spanker				Spankee
Kelly Green		Hustler				John
Olive Drab		Military Top			Military Bottom
Lime Green		Dines off Tricks (Sex w/Food)	Dinner Plate
Beige			Rimmer				Rimmee
Brown			Scat Top			Scat Bottom
Brown Lace		Has Uncut Dick			Likes Uncut Dick
Brown Satin		Circumsized			Likes Circumsized Cock
Charcoal		Latex Fetish, Top		Latex Fetish, Bottom
Gray Flannel		Actually Owns a Suit		Likes Men in Suits
Cream			Cums in Scum Bags		Sucks It Out
Red/White Stripe	Shaver				Shavee
Black/White Stripe	Likes Black Bottoms		Likes Black Tops
Brown/White Stripe	Likes Latino Bottoms		Likes Latino Tops
Yellow/White Stripe	Likes Oriental Bottoms		Likes Oriental Tops
White Lace		Likes White Bottoms		Likes White Tops
Paisley			Wears Boxer Shorts		Likes Boxer Shorts
Fur			Bestialist Top			Bestialist Bottom
Silver Lame		Starfucker			Star
Gold Lame		Likes Bottom Musclemen		Likes Top Musclemen
Leopard			Has Tattoos			Likes Tattoos
Tan			Smokes Cigars			Likes Cigars
Teddy Bear		Cuddler				Cuddlee
Kewpie Doll		Chicken				Chicken Hawk
Dirty Jockstrap		Wears a Dirty Jock		Sucks 'em Clean
Zip-Lock Baggy		Has Drugs			Looking for Drugs
Kleenex			Stinks				Sniffs
Handywipe		Gives HOT Motor Oil Massage	Wears it Well
Chamois			Rides a Motorcycle		Likes Bikers
Cocktail Napkin		Bartender			Bar Groupie
Doily			Tearoom Top			Tearoom Bottom
Mosquito Netting	Top for Sex Outdoors		Bottom for Same
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Hell!  I'm tired of all this androgynous and/or not androgynous stuff.
Give me Wesley (sp?) nude and a holodeck and I'll be happy...

I liked it, not only for its positive motss treatment,
but as nostoglia for an era and city which I grew up.
Too many motss movies concentrate on problems like
disease, neurotic behavior, or hyper-sexuality.
I was surprised by the amount of motss activity shown
and bare skin of all sexualities.  This may be OK
in Europe that produced the series, but is wild for the US.

[from the Gay Issues Category on GEnie]
 
STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION has cancelled reported plans to add gay and
lesbian crew members.  Last summer, series creator Gene Roddenberry was
reported to have made up his mind to show viewers gay and lesbian characters
at work aboard the Enterprise.  His death seems to have put an end to those
plans.  Paramount officials said the most gays can "hope" for is a possible
glimpse of same-sex  couples strolling by in the background.
 
[not sure from what reference this was pulled... anyone have more info?]
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A reliable source of mine that work with Nestle has just told me
that Nestle has withdrawn their sponsorship of tonights
episode of Northern Exposure (the 'gay wedding' episode).
As it was explained to me, they (at least internally) are making
no bones about the reason behind their decision.  Apparently,
they have been getting a HUGE amount of negative mail and phone
calls from anti-gay organiztions and are 'responding' to those
attacks.  Let Nestle know how you feel and that you will no longer
purchase their products nor support their bigotry.  
Call or write :
Tim Crull, CEO
Nestle 
800 N. Brand Blvd
Glendale, CA  91203
(800) NESTLES
-- 
//Gary

The reverend Jerry Flaw-well announced yesterday
that parents should be careful when they buy the
new teletubbies.  He said, one tele-tubby (Tinky Winky)
is purple, has a triangle on his head, and carries a purse
even though it has a male voice--therefore it must be gay.  
The makers of the toy responded "It's not a purse--
it's a magic bag!"
Dale

Want to watch Ellen this week but you don't want to watch it alone?   Would
you like to share the laughs and energy of viewing Ellen's coming out
episode with a great bunch of like minded people?  Well if you would, the
Midnight Sun is having a coming out party for Ellen this Wednesday April
30th, and you are invited!  Its going to be an evening of the latest music
hits intermixed with a host of Ellen comedy clips!  Check out their website
for more information about this and other social events you are invited to!
 
http://www.wolfe.com/midnightsun/
Hope to see ya there!
Wolf
[email protected]
http://www.wolfe.com/
http://www.cyberwolves.com/

Do take a look at the photo in today's NY Times of Mattel's 
new version of Barbie's boyfriend Ken.  Earring Magic Ken, 
to use his full name, looks like a West Hollywood Twink from 
Hell.  He's blond, wears some kind of mesh shirt and a leather
vest, and sports an earring in his left ear.  I can't tell
from the photo if he's also bubble-butted, but something tells
me he just has to be.
What is the world coming to?
Arne

OK... this is my first attempt to post to this newsgroup, so I hope
all goes well.
Musical/artistic arguments aside, this Madonna-worship thing
is really pissing me off.  Granted, I am somewhat new to the
community, but am I the only one who realizes how falling
all over this pop/sex/smut queen is setting up a stereotype?
As I become aware of all the stereotypes I get cast into
as I gradually come out on this campus, I try to make a
consciencous effort to break from them.
Now granted, it's nice to see someone in the music industry
gay-friendly, and yes some of those dancers are hot - 
but come on people...there is nothing prophetic or
profound about this woman propping her tits around onstage
selling sex and trying to break down sexual barriers.  Sex,
including bisexuality, has been used for a long long time - 
Madonna is not some homosexual idol who should be worshipped
for her enlightening of the masses to the plight of sexual
repression.
Well, that's my $0.02 anyway.
Send appropriate flames to the address below

	I just caught the tail end of the evening news that contained a
short segment on the study of HIV virus transmission.  From what I gather,
the HIV virus is not able to be transmitted to a partner if the man has
had a vasectomy.  This just conjured up a picture in my mind (by nature
pessimistic) of homophobes seizing this information and using it to argue
for the procedure to be carried out on men with aids and further to the
whole gay population while they're at it.  :(
Chris

I was a bit disappointed that no-one picked up on what I considered
a major undiscussed topic... home AIDS tests.  Doug and I spent an
afternoon with a bottle of wine discussing this issue.  He felt
that we should do everything possible to encourage people to know
their HIV status, that people have the right of access to medical 
information unregulated by the establishment, and that the supposed
downside (lack of counseling, etc.) is both unproven and irrelevant:
it should remain the person's choice to take such a risk.
Comments?
David Christopher Rogers

LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
expect to be terminated.
Anheuser Busch Inc. argues in court papers that an EMPLOYEE FIRED BECAUSE
HE IS GAY, HAS NO RIGHT TO BRING A LAWSUIT for wrongful termination.
Budweiser states, in court documents: BEING GAY IS A "FREE CHOICE" AND
NOT A CIVIL RIGHT" protected from discrimination in the workplace in the
state of California.  [If that's their attitude, then belonging to a
particular religion SHOULD NOT be a protected right, because most people
choose their religion, plus many people "change" their religion
everyday.]
According to testimony from Human Resources Manager, Bob Warner,,
Anheuser Busch Inc.'s internal investigation confirmed that
ANHEUSER-BUSCH EMPLOYEE'S "USE THE TERM 'F@G' or 'F-GG-T' IN A SHOP TALK
MANNER" at the Los Angeles Brewery.
Manager Bruce Borst testified at his desposition he heard the word f-g
used at Anheuser-Busch AT LEAST 100 TIMES in his presence.
Manager Zane Pickney testified at his desposition that "f-g" could be
used in fashion that is not derogatory towards anyone, and proceed to
highlight some acceptable uses of the word.
Human Resources Manager Bob Warner testified at his desposition that NO
EMPLOYEE HAS EVER BEEN DISCIPLINED AT THE ANHEUSER-BUSCH WORKPLACE FOR
USING INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE TO REFER TO GAY'S & LESBIANS.
Anheuser-Busch Inc. is fighting to stop a sexual orientation case against
it from going foward to trial. It has appealed to higher courts to
prevent this case from being heard.
It's amazing how Budweiser can treat us like this after all the years
that we in the Gay community have purchased and drank their stuff in
bars, dance clubs, and in our homes.
GAY BARS SHALL BE BUDWEISER FREE!!!!
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Me and two friends--all of us are gay--were in a conversation recently
and the subject of personal knowledge of dick size came up. My two
friends both took the position that, while most men have an "idea" of
the size of their penises, most men have never actually taken a ruler
and measured it. I disagree and think that most men have, in fact,
measured their manhood. They suggest that gay men are more likely than
straight men to have measured their dicks, but still feel that those who
have measured (gay or straight) are definitely in the minority.
Questions to the male members (NPI) of the group:
1. Have you measured your penis?
2. Do you think most gay men have measured their penises?
3. Do you think most straight men have measured their penises?
Disclaimer:
This message is about exactly what it says it's about. It's not a Trojan
horse for anything else. It's is not about small penises or large ones.
In fact, the size isn't important. It's about personal knowledge of
one's size, whatever that size happens to be. I also recognize that
people are more than their penises. This message isn't meant to imply
that physical characteristics (or sex in general) is more important than
a full and well-rounded relationship.

I'm ISO young (23-30) gay guys who ARENT into X-tasy, coke, vodka, etc. and
sick of the club scene.   I'm 24 and into self-help and nutrition and other
altruistic stuff.   Please visit my page on the www and e-mail me. Thank
you. 
-- 
take care! ...Alex Y.   
http://206.20.2.77

Houseboy Wanted
Live-in houseboy wanted for private Los Angeles estate.  You should be
under 25, honest, friendly, dependable, no drugs.  Room and board, plus
$1,000 to $1,500 per month as well as health insurance and use of a car.
Varying but flexible schedule, estate owners are two likeable 20-something
guys.  Will relocate the right person if necessary.  Excellent long-term
opportunity for the right person.  No experience necessary.
If you are interested, please call 
310-271-6378
 or send email to
[email protected]

Hi, my name is Paul, and I am a Gay White Male, who would like to develop an 
email correspondence with other Gay Males (any color).  I just recently 
came out of the closet, so make me feel welcome, boys.  I am also a sailor
with the Navy.  My favorite group is the Village People.  My sign is Virgo, 
and my favorite color is yellow, plus I LOVE drinking mineral water.  I hope to
hear from all you fairies soon!  Bye!
						XOXOX, Paul

Oh, baby, I need something NOW! Please, if you are a male in the New
York/Cornell area, I want to have some male S&M With you, now, baby.
 
[Please no one, be offended, or I'll cum in your month]

Looking for some advice from those more experienced with these sort of
things than I...
 
   I've been playing "visual tag" for the last few weeks at the local bar
with a bear who's approximately 20 years older than me.  I find him to be
rather attractive, and from various "reports" from acquaintances, he seems
to be a good (although somewhat shy) person.  From what I can tell there
seems to be mutual attraction...
 
   Do people have any experiences/comments dealing with this kind of
situation?  Twenty plus years (I'm 22, he's in his forties) is a rather
large (IMHO) age gap.  I've recently gotten rather disillusioned with
twentysomething twinkies who are more interested in who's got the larger
pecs...
 
   Also, any suggestions on how to strike up a conversation?  I figure
asking for a dance (or 2) would be a good start but after that haven't the
slightest idea on how to sustain a conversation with someone old enough to
be my father... (humor me, please, I'm not good at social small talk and
can use all the help I can get).
 
                                        -Chris.
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"I can read your mind"
"No".

Several threads ago, when we were discussing "straight acting and
appearing", several people wanted me to compare the use of "no butch"
or "seeks femme" in womens' personal ads with the use of "straight
acting and appearing" in mens' ads.  I was obstinant about not doing
so. 
After talking with a friend (guess which gender), I've been informed
that that person often takes "femme" to be a *code word* for "straight
acting" in womens' ads.  I took the usage to parallel the use of
"butch" in mens' ads:  "femme" being stylized femininity as "butch" so
often refers to stylized masculinity, both being independent of
"straight acting".  
I hope any irritation caused by my cluelessness wasn't permanent.
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Live and learn.

It's quite obvious to anyone versed in politics that Clinton 
never intended to honor his campaign promise to allow homosexuals
in the military.  He duped the gays into working their little
butts off to raise money for him.  Clinton dangled visions of 
those nice, young, sex-starved, athletic, duty-bound boys 
in front of the gay community to motivate them to extrordinary 
levels of volunteer effort.  
It's really one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
Those of you who worked so hard on his campaign in hopes of using
tax dollars and military discipline to imprint impressionable young 
boys are probably engaging in mental gymnastics to avoid facing the 
fact that Clinton put one over on you, just when you thought you 
were putting one over on the American people.
But just face it:
If Clinton had been serious about letting gays into the military,
he would have avoided LIKE THE PLAGUE any early move which would
create a preemptive backlash from conservative elements in our
society and military.  He would have waited until he was in office
and simply acted in the most effective, and least obtrusive manner
possible.  
You don't get elected President by being a political idiot.  Clinton's
apparent political "blunder" was carefully calculated to provide him 
with an excuse to simply not act on his campaign promise to you gays.
We'll see if one of your Jewish American Princesses in the
Senate like Boxer or Feinstien are MAN enough to take on the 
Arkansas Stud.  Fat chance.
Better luck next time, AIDS-vectors.
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For years now, I have had trouble with the word 'man'.  Not in the universal
sense (as in 'the family of man'), but as a personal application.  I was brought
up to believe that females were entitled to the use of the workd "woman",
that it was a right of females.  The word conjures up very strong images,
nice positive images (My mother, Shirley Chisholm, my godmother, Sue- my
leather/motorcycle/dyke political buddy back in ARkansas, Stevie Smith, Janet
from Saskatoon, Blanche McCrary Boyd, Governor Kunin), and by calling a woman
a woman, I am acknowlediging her sense of self and dignity.  Honoring her you
might even say.
I am a male (a word that is hotly sexual to me "ALL MALE ACTION!"), but at 23
years of age, I find myself reluctant to use the word "man" when thinking or
referring to myself.  For some reason, for me, "man" is a title earned by men.
I don't consider myself a boy (although sexually, I'll happily, and quickly,
respond to it when called).  "Youth" is silly, and "young adult" sounds like a
member of a church group.  I enjoy being male; I enjoy male sexuality, emotion,
sensuality.  I respond very easily to hyper male imagery (Tom of Finland,
"Dungeons of Europe", the rough soldier, cowboys). I love men.  Men who have
earned the right to call themselves men are my father (who pretty much fulfills
most of my masculine ideals), my lover (who fulfills that and other things),
Ronnie at the bar (Does a mean Carmen Miranda) and also at the bar that guy
who's become so striking since allowing his sense of androgony to win over and
probably takes a lot of shit on the street for it too) Harvey Milk, my uncle Art
who raised my mother when my grandfather died, Tim Barrus (for having tyhe balls
to post that silly ad in the classifieds of Drummer and for having written "Life
Sucks, or Hemingway never slept here").  Being a man isn't bein ng sure of one's
self, but being comforatable with one's self, and more too, I guess, but now I'm
backing myself into a corner.
How does it feel to be a man?  What is a man?  Surely I'm not the only one
who;'s placed the term beyond my reach?  
Sorry about this, but all the postings concerning wimmin/women/myn brought all
this up again.  Why does one consider one's self to me a man?  What did it take
to convince you that you were finally one yourlself?  Did you shave for the
first time?  Did you pop your cherry with that hot little cheerleader back in
high school without cumming too soon?  Are you in touch with the child within?
Are you hung?  A good father?  You can smash beercans against your forehead with
out kncokcing youself out? 
Why are you a man?  When will you become one?  What will or did it take?
later, Eric Burkett

   I've noticed that most faggots walk and talk real
funny.  Why is this?  Especially the walk.  They walk
like they all had potato chips up their asses.  It's
really disgusting to see.  And that whiny fag accent!
Sheesh! It's enough to drive you up the wall!  

You dumb fucking faggots are the most pathetic and disgusting
thing I've ever seen! Alone, a faggot KNOWS he is a fould and
vile thing, but put ten or so of you putrid sacks of smelling
shit together in a room and *poof* before you know it you guys
have redesigned everything from history to the bible to reflect
your sickness in a positive light.
Die queers. Of AIDS.
tmu
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In my opinion, homosexuality is WRONG.  How can any intelligent,
civilized person suggest with any remote seriousness that the
unearthly cretins known as homosexuals are behaving in a way that
could be considered right, normal, or even socially acceptable?
Most of them were not born with any evident mutations that would
cause such aberrant behavior, so how could ANYONE suggest that
they could be accepted?  Sexual orientation is chosen.  No one
forces anyone to copulate with anyone else.  Choosing someone of
the same sex as your mate is not biologically correct or normal.
If it were normal, then why didn't God put 2 men in the garden of
Eden to BUTTBANG all day?  It's NOT right.  Now, if you are athiest
or a darwinist, then look at it from a scientific point of view.
If you take 2 males or females of *ANY* species and lock them in
a cage, they *will not* make any offspring and the species within
their biome will become extinct.  How can anyone consider
homosexuality normal if it would wipe out an entire species?
As for those still thinking that it would be possible to be born
that way, how could the genetics of a gay be passed on?  If your
parents were gay, then they wouldn't have reproduced with the
opposite sex in the first place.  I am not discussing Bisexuals
as they at least show some signs of decency.  Homosexuals are
disease-ridden pests that should be driven from the face of the
earth to preserve humanity.  Burn fags not Flags, and
may God save us all.
Jonny.  Crusading for Decency.

CNN and other news outlets are reporting a bombing at an Atlanta
nightclub, variously described as "gay", "lesbian", "gay and lesbian" and
"homosexual".  Several people were injured, but no deaths are
being reported. According to these reports, city officials are not
ruling out the possibility of a connection to other Atlanta bombings,
which include the Olympic park bombing and the more recent bombing of a
women's health clinic.
I hope that Atlantans know that we share the shock and concern they must
be feeling in the aftermath of this attack.  I hope that they can take 
a few moments to share more local information in the coming hours and
days.  
Let us know if we can help.
Linda

About 2 hours ago a nail bomb has exploded at a gay bar
in London's Soho, killing at least 2 people, and injuring
about 40.  The bar that was hit was the Admiral Duncan,
a bar in the center of London's gay street, Old Compton's
street.  In the last few weeks the black community (in Brixton)
and the Asian community (Brick Lane) have been hit by nail
bombs, and warnings had been out that the gay community might
be next.
The bomb exploded at about 6:30pm, on a very warm and
extremely busy Friday night, at the start of a long holiday
weekend (Bank Holiday).
mik, who was there about 4 hours ago (posting from London)
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666 - The number of the beast.
 
665 - The Family That Lives Across The Street From The Beast
664 and 668 - The Neighbors Of The Beast
766 - Upstairs neighbor of the beast.
 
666A, 666B - Tenants of the beast.
 
1332 - The number of two beasts.
 
333 - Half brother of the beast.
 
66 - Apprentice beast.
 
-0.809016994 - Sine of the beast.
 
DCLXVI - Roman numeral of the beast.
 
1010011010 - Binary number of the beast.
 
0.666 - Number of the millibeast.
 
666.0000 - Number of the high precision beast.
 
1/666 - Common denominator of the beast.
 
666[-/(-1)] - Imaginary number of the beast.
 
29A - Hexadecimal of the beast.
 
665.9238429876 - The number of the Pentium beast.
 
VI VI VI - Number of the Hollywood sequel beast.
 
UPC - The one-world-order conspiracy beast.
 
Office 2000 (tm) - Word processor of the beast.
 
FFF - The substitution cipher beast.
(666) DA- BEAST. Phone number of the Beast.
 
-666. The Anti-Beast.
 
(666) The area code of the Beast
666-66-6666 The Social Security Number of the Beast
Windows '666 The OS of the Beast
2*3*3*37  The factorization of the Beast
$.66/lb - Good price for beets
1-900-666-6666
 - Live, one-on-one beasts. Call now.
6x6x6 - lumber of the beast
666-flush - plumber of the beast
10-10-666 - long distance access code of the beast
Shixshixshix - The drunk beast
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I need to talk to you.  Any one of you.  All of you, I guess.
Until yesterday, I was a straight-as-an-arrow, calm, married kind of
guy.  Not a shut-in.  Not a geek.  I have a successful job, an ordinary
job.  My wife has an ordinary job.  We've tried a few experiments,
cutesy little things.  
     Wait, wait, before the flames come for the word 'geek.'  I know
what the word means.  I know I was one.  I know that eventually, almost
all of us grow out of it.  I know that now (I'm 24) I'm actually
good-looking.  Maybe it's just the ring, but as the years come more and
more women are attracted to me.  My only oddity is that I have very long
hair, a distinction that has not hurt my career.  My wife likes it that
way
     Sounds great, huh?  Except why am I posting on soc.motss?  I'm not
even sure if this is the right board to post on.  But I've got to try
somewhere.
     You see, yesterday my wife and I rented an all-male videotape.  Her
suggestion; she wanted to "see what it was like."  Great.  I was not at
all enthused.  It was called "A Night At Hallsteads," I think.  At first
it was okay, typical smut, just no women.  I could handle it.  In fact,
I found it interesting.
     Until this one scene.  Most of the film had been oral up to this
point, boring.  This was the first fuck scene.
     What ended up happening is I told my wife I wasn't interested, and
she said she wasn't either, so we turned it off, and went to sleep.  I
couldn't sleep, so I got up.  Since I do that often, Deb didn't question
it; she just went back to sleep.  But, I went back out to the living
room, put the tape back in, and watched that scene.  Again and again.
Watching it, I know what I want.  The scene showed one guy bent over a
bench while the other guy just pummled him.  I fantasized about being
the guy on the bottom.  I know now that I'm gay, or at least bi.  I
guess bi is the right word... I still love Deb and find her appealing.
But my mind is filled with fantasies, gay... almost rape fantasies.  I
must have masturbated four times that night.
     The trouble is, now as I think about it, I worry about my
fantasies.  If I were to act them out the way I want to, I put myself in
the most dangerous category, and in these times that's not a good place
to be.  I want to be a receptive partner... Tie me down to a table an
use me all night long, I guess.  That sort of thing's been running
through my head all day.
     Only I've put off thinking about it, because I know what kind of
trouble I'll be in.
     So what do I do now?

The more I read in soc.motss, the more frightened I become: all this 
obsession over guns, war, disease, all the bad news re religious fundies, 
the rise of fascism, etc.  I wish we, Canadians, could erect a wall all 
along the border to protect ourselves from the cancer spreading from the 
south.
Dangerous, dangerous USA!

Feverishly requesting FTP sites bubbling over with salacious 
motssensational GIFs!
Seriously though, alt.sex.pictures is drying up, not that it ever
had much high-octane motss material anyways.
Any untapped GIF sites appreciated!

Well I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm scared shitless
of this charming side effect of that new synthafat Olestra: anal
leakage.  Skwirl also read the more vivid phrase "greasy underwear
smears" or something along those lines somewhere.  The idea of 
fat-free ice cream has its appeal, I suppose, unless the yummiest 
part of it (i.e. the fat) slides right through you and dribbles 
out uncontrollably no matter how tightly you scrunch up your asshole.
I hope Olestrian products are well-labeled.
-- 
Charlie [email protected]
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"Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun."
                           Montgomery Burns

I discovered the other day, with some delight, that I can still count my  
sexual partners on my fingers.
Of course, I have to use binary notation... :-)
-A

    I went out on Wednesday evening and there were hordes of gay men 
out.  Every bar or club was crowded and it seemed like every gay boy was 
out on streets even though the temperature was below freezing.  Definitely
more than a regular weekend night.
    My theory is that thanksgiving is a less than wonderful time for
a lot of gay people.  Either they are estranged from their families or they 
just endure going back to their straight nightmare for Thanksgiving.  So, in 
order to prepare themselves for the ordeal, they go out for a heavy dose of 
gaydom before gingerly stepping into the swamp of straight America.
    I would like to start a thread to get people's opinions on this issue.  It 
would also be quite appropriate for people to write what they or their 
friends do for thanksgiving.
    I have come out to my family and they are cool about it.  But since 
they are all in India, I can't really spend Thanksgiving with them (of course, 
they have never heard of Thanksgiving and have not the foggiest idea of 
what it is.  And they can't even imagine eating something like a turkey).  So 
I just invited a bunch of my friends over and cooked an enormous meal.  
That was all the tradition I put up with though since I didn't cook turkey or 
all that goes with it.
Niraj

Well, its saturday night, And I`ve closed the bar again. Here I sit with my
trusty Mac, reaching out across the unknown world of the NET. I can`t count 
the times that I`ve talked myself into going to the bar,thinking that this time
will be different. This time I will meet someone who is interested in getting to
know me, and will let me know him. Maybe this is just a pipe dream, a fantasy, 
something that only happens in the movies (or Los Angles). Whats happening in
Gay culture? Are Lover relationships still around? Is it everyone out for 
himself/herself? 
I seldom, if ever, see any postings about gay relationships on Soc.motss, and 
I`m curious as to why this is. Whats happening with everyone? Is this a taboo
subject????
Lee
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I'd been wanting one for 20 or 30 years, and finally bought one last night
- a lava lamp.
Lava lamps bases come in various finishes, and the two liquids inside (the
lava and the stuff it floats in0 also come in various colors.  I bought the
"Princess" model with lavendar lava.  It's just too too for words.
When I first turned on the lamp, the lava just sat there in a lump on the
bottom.  I didn't look at for a while, and the next time I glanced over at
it, there was this amazing phallic-shaped object rising from the bottom of
the tube!  It was a long round cylinder with a little bulb at end.  It
obviously believed in safe sex, too, because there was a little extension
at the top that looked just like the receptacle tip in a condom.  The whole
thing was slowly pulsing up and down.  No wonder lava lamps were so
popular!
After a while, though, it started shooting little gobs of lava out of the
top and then settles into the normal lava lamp behavior of little balls
floating up and down and rubbing against each other.  The show was over.
THis morning, fate awarded me with a perfect doughnut, something I hadn't
had in a long time.  Many years ago, when I lived in Palo Alto, I would
stop at Rolling Pin Donuts in San Bruno on my way back from the City at
2:30 (or 6:30) in the morning.  Occasionally I would get there just as the
yeast doughnuts were being glazed.  They were delightful, but I hadn't been
there at the right time for years. 
Now I live in the City and work on the Peninsula.  I get on Caltrain at the
San Bruno station, and sometimes go in to Rolling Pin for a doughnut and
coffee.   This morning, what to my wondering eyes should appear but a baker
with a tray of glaze!  They had warm glaze doughnuts!  I bought one.
The difference between a freshly glazed doughnut, still warm, and a
doughnut which has gotten cold, is much greater than the difference
between, say, fresh-squeezed orange juice and canned orange juice.  A fresh
warm doughnut is the softest, most delicate food you will ever encounter.
it practically melts in your mouth.  it has a subtle flavor, and the warm
glaze gets on your fingers, which you then have to lick clean.  Heaven on
earth!
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"the makers of 'KY Jelly' have announced that their
product is now fully year 2000 compliant and has been
renamed 'Y2KY Jelly'.   a spokesman said that 'the
improved formula now allows you to insert four digits
into your date instead of two."
mik
--
in LA in january

I recently downloaded what I thought was a jpg file from
alt.personals.gay.  What actually got downloaded was the file
Happy99.exe containing Happy99.Worm or I-Worm.Happy of about 10,000
bytes.
WHAT IT DOES:
This worm modifies WSOCK32.DLL to send itself as an attachment when a
posting is made to USENET or MAIL.
If you download a file called Happy99.exe delete it.  Run your
anti-virus software and follow your software's instructions should this
worm still be on your system.
--
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